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The two main things he campaigned on, even if there's no deal, which is an instant hike on the very rich and no touching of social security, medicare and medicaid. then the republicans just as e.j. points out would have to turn around and explain why they wouldn't then want to go along with a tax decrease for 98% of voters. right? so they would have to stand up against that and that is an impossible position. if they even know that obama would consider letting them go off the cliff, i think that might be a stronger bargaining position. >> well, we haven't heard much about this payroll tax cut....

You don't have to change the tax table. so you don't have to start with drawing money from people's paychecks. i think there are ways of going over the cliff and make it more like i against lawrence o'donnell says a curb on the street. i think the payroll tax is really difficult issue. because a lot of -- and liberals are torn about it because on the one hand, i kind of like the idea of goosing the economy and letting people keep another year of their payroll tax cut, but we're worried about the long-term for social security. it's a tough, tough issue. >> all right. ruth conniff, e. jechlt dio...

>> rob, you talk about geithner scoring high. geithner's made it clear he's leaving when this term is over, whatever happens to obama. >> treasury secretary. >> let's seau bomb ma is re-elected. one thing that strikes me is the criticism from the left is he had too many people like geithner on the administration. too many people all over the crisis that he inherited. not a different approach to how to fix the economy. it seems to me with geithner leaving you have a fundamental choice if obama is re-elected for the treasury secretary. the name you proposed is erskine bow bowles. we're going bac...

Tax cut which helps the middle class and the working class but you favor extending the bush tax cuts especially for the wealthy. >> well, in the deal that was struck last year there was an effort to establish the tax table so that businesses would know how much to withhold. i voted against the bill last year which was the payroll tax deduction when you talk about extending the current reduced tax rates on the people who are job providers that only makes sense in a down economy. we want to create jobs. that helps to create jobs to keep more money in the pockets of the job creators. when you pul...

Tax cut which helps the middle class and the working class but you favor extending the bush tax cuts especially for the wealthy. >> well, in the deal that was struck last year there was an effort to establish the tax table so that businesses would know how much to withhold. i voted against the bill last year which was the payroll tax deduction when you talk about extending the current reduced tax rates on the people who are job providers that only makes sense in a down economy. we want to create jobs. that helps to create jobs to keep more money in the pockets of the job creators. when you pul...