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Deal with these family units who are showing up every single day and night willing to turn themselves in. earlier today on fox former dhs secretary chad woman and former u.s -- chad wolfe had some pretty -- chad wolf had some pretty tough words. take a listen. >> the hedge from this administration is clear that if you come to the boarder and you get across, you turn yourself in to border patrol, you will be released into the united states. and that's exactly the wrong message. >> he's got a ton of experience. that is a very, very smart guy, and if i was the american public, i'd be asking why. ...

What do you think? >> i think there's a lot of dhs officials that yowe an explanation. jeff among them is joseph maher, who replaced me. he shut down all of the collection we had in place that would, sure as i'm sitting here, that we would have found and detected. these people were not hiding. this was in plain sight and he shut that down and he's now on the committee as a member. serving under one of the republicans. i'm for the committee, you know, finding the truth, the objective truth, and i'm concerned one of the people needs to testify is actually working on the committee. investigating ...

Attempted to influence or retaliate against any individual at dhs but specifically mr. murphy. >> what's your reaction to that? >> so my reaction is that there was a pattern at dhs covering many areas of which just articulated and chad was a part of that. at no point did me or any member of my team ever collect information on reporters or violate any law or anything along those lines. >> so he's lying? >> i think that he has a credibility problem that, when he removed me, he told me that he knew that there was no violations in place but he was tired of me not being a team player and that he wa...

They actually use words like "change the narrative"? >> so i was told by virtually all the senior departmental officials, chad wolfe, ken kuchie and many words. "i'm ordering to you change the outcome of these products" the intelligence products we would do and i told them many times that i would not do that and if they kept the pressure up i would go to congress or use the whistle-blower path to make sure it was addressed. >> ken cuccinelli demanded you modify the homeland secthreat assessment. >> we completed the threat assessment in march of 2020. it doesn't go out for months. the reason fo...

Supremacy, russian disinformation and the southwest border. >> why? because it made the president look bad? >> that was it, yes. they were topics i assume the president did not want to be addressed, did not want to hear about and did not want anybody else to hear about. >> did officials confront the fact that ignoring these things could be problematic? >> i think it was more than ignoring them. it was to manipulate the intelligence to fit that political narrative. they did not want things to come out but shape it in a way that would support the president's objectives. >> ken cuccinelli, a top ...