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Through recess appointments, vetoes, whatever it takes to beat them when they try to beat me. >> yeah. you know, chris, if he gets re-elected, i think we may go back to that debt ceiling fight and say, you know what? this might have been the moment when things changed for him. i think the debt ceiling fight confirmed what his aides had been trying and his political strategists had been trying to tell him for a long time that in order to beat republicans you're going to have to talk tougher, be willing to keep the steering wheel straight in the game of political chicken longer, out tough them e...