For a lot of people here. and i think some of what we only hear in private may spill out into the president's ears today. >> and are they -- and color me skeptical but deeply human because donald trump dehumanizes all sorts but is there any sense there's a legislative fix they're working on a plan b? >> so the only situation that seems like it could potentially move forward is something in the sena senate that could be narrow. they're working on a past pass spending bill. but democrats are saying right now donald trump is simply using these children. he's creating a vulnerable population, stok...