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What do you think of those individuals? and i guess i'm talking about musk and bezos, who are spending tens of billions of dollars, if not more, on space, on their preoccupation with expanding mankind's horizons to mars, and maybe even beyond — when even in this city, san francisco, which has benefited so much from the tech boom, there are thousands of homeless people, when, as we've established, across the world, there are hundreds of millions going short of food. what do you think of that? the same comments you were making were being made in the 14th and 15th century in spain, and there wa...

Benefited so much from the tech boom, there are thousands of homeless people, when, as we've established, across the world, there are hundreds of millions going short of food. what do you think of that? the same comments you were making were being made in the 14th and 15th century in spain, and there was a more dramatic disparity of wealth, disparity of income, and disparity—of—life condition than there is even today, believe it or not. and during that time, the attempts to cross the atlantic and discover the new world ultimately yielded benefits that were unimaginable at the time. and one...

In our ability to build housing because of the state—mandated housing element, which over the next eight years requires us to build about 82,000 units. we have over 50,000 units entitled. we have 30,000 that are going through the process. and once this housing element gets through, allowing a number of units to be as of right, we anticipate that of that 50,000, at least 30,000 of those units are going to be as of right and be able to build at a more rapid pace than we've ever seen in this city. and i think that's going to be really exciting for housing production in san francisco. i'm lookin...

To be as of right, we anticipate that of that 50,000, at least 30,000 of those units are going to be as of right and be able to build at a more rapid pace than we've ever seen in this city. and i think that's going to be really exciting for housing production in san francisco. i'm looking forward to that. and it's going to make a huge difference with the challenges that we experience with homelessness. but i don't want to discount the fact that over the past two years, over5,000 new units, new places forformerly homeless people have been established in our portfolio. so we've been working very...

Early from prison. indonesia says umar patek no longer poses a threat because he has been de—radicalised. now on bbc news, it's hardtalk welcome to hardtalk from san francisco. i'm stephen sackur. from gold rush to tech boom, this has long been a city of big dreams and big fortunes. it prides itself on being progressive, even radical. some call it the woke capital of america. but something is going wrong here. drugs, crime, homelessness have turned san francisco into a symbol of urban failure. my guest today is the mayor, london breed. can she turn san francisco around?