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Out now? >> well, we actually found him because the federal prosecutors have mentioned the tech consultant through the reimbursement when they charged cohen in august with eight felonies in new york including hush money payments. so we were -- they didn't name the tech company but we tracked it down and found out who it was. we reached out. through the course of our discussions with him, he told us the story and agreed to go on the record. he also told the same thing last year to the federal investigators who are looking into michael cohen. >> fascinating. let me bring you in. you just heard f...

It decreases our freedom and by extension, decreases economic growth. the idea then that some refugee ban is going to make us safer from terrorists defies common sense. they would always get around something as basic as that. david: mike, he threw down the gauntlet. >> my good buddy used to be a tech consultant for oracle. several years ago oracle canned him because he was aring chaing too much and he hired foreigners. i disagree with my buddy john, i think that safety should be a priority. david: bruce, isn't that a reasonable argument, safety should be the priority? president trump over the ...