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Business, they clearly should not be part of building and forming the government. that, to me -- there's no problem in taking counsel from your family. the problem is they haven't set up and set forth what are the guidelines here to make sure that the conflict of interest stay away. >> do you agree with it? >> look, i wish they would be clearer about it and perhaps clearer about it faster but i do think that this is sort of a bit of a new creature and we're going to see how it plays out here if ivanka is the trump kid, business trump kid, i don't have a problem with that, a case by case basis....

But i do think this is a bit of a new creature and we're going to see how it plays out here. but, you know, if ivanka is the government trump kid and the other two are the business trump kid, i don't have that much problem with that and it is going to a case by case basis. but i think it is best practice to make it clear and how. i'm not sure we're going to get that. >> does it make sense to you kirsten, that there are sitting around with the tech executives today? >> no. the example i keep using is let's just make this chelsea clinton and then going back to running the foundation. the clinton...