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Companies, ibm, is busy marketing its new small computer. >> it will, they say, give credibility to home computers. they'll no longer be just another new gadget. >> ibm has set an objective to build the office of the future. >> before ibm came in, companies would not think about buying personal computers, but suddenly, when ibm's selling one it becomes a safer decision. ibm personal computer is stiend for office, school or home use, aimed at exactly the same market as its competitors. >> when ibm started developing the ibm pc, it needed an operating system. and this young guy named bill gate...

Business despite this. walmart does business with equifax despite this. you ask them why? we need the data. we need to know what people's ratings are. that's how they do it. so the question is how do you hold them accountable? >> regulation. and we're currently living with an administration that wants to deregulate. you can have every lawmaker up there say this should be illegal, except the not. the fact he blamed a tech guy -- >> then the question becomes what's the lie ability, right? we don't know. just because you have my data doesn't mean we know what the economic loss is to me. >> so wha...

>> a big lie. >> she never e-mailed them. >> what's that say on their communication? >> you're a tech guy, if you e-mail someone, you can read the e-mail. >> precisely. you know that server that was set up the idea that the deputy secretary of state also her chief of staff had private e-mailing thes not on the government servers, there were warnings. did he just learn through news reports what does that say about the president of the united states as a leader? >> we heard it before. how many other scandals has he heard through the news? >> right. >> there's a laundry list of the ways the presi...

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Fixes just from october to the fix, right? >> right. >> what does that mean? if they had 400 bug fixes then are they able to fix it with the infrastructure in place which luke said was outdated, if i remember. >> yeah. the 400 bug fixes is amazing, right? i would say the critical question would be what test plan did they have in place to identify bugs? >> none. >> what was in place october 1. it is a difference between bugs they didn't fix and fixed later versus being surprised after they shipped and finding 400 new bugs. >> unbelievable. >> let me ask the final question here. >> i'm good at d...