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Dat contaminated the data base with message logs they had no authority to collect. i want to make sure i understand and our viewers understand, this was a tech problem they didn't fix rather than a philosophical or national security decision that we don't need this anymore? >> well, i think it's kind of both. it turns out to be extremely hard to make this thing work. it looks like it was the problem is more on the telecom side than on the nsa side. the companies are sending more information and they're supposed to and that contaminates the system and has, you know, replicating effects when the...

Facebook's critics. >> didn't they create a website with alternate news? >> it's not a secret because it's all on the masthead. but the definers is co located with a conservative news site that happens to write a lot of articles that attack the enemies of their clients. so in this case you saw that tim cook was blasting facebook over privacy. >> in an interview with yours truly, actually. >> and other articles that were saying cook was a hypocrite, and articles say google does things like cambridge analytica. they're trying to spread the blame, saying it's a big tech problem. >> there was a pu...

Of their clients. so in this case you saw that tim cook was blasting facebook over privacy. >> in an interview with yours truly, actually. >> and other articles that were saying cook was a hypocrite, and articles say google does things like cambridge analytica. they're trying to spread the blame, saying it's a big tech problem. >> there was a public face, private face, one of the themes here. publicly they're minimizing, privately they have engineers saying this is a big problem, publicly, we're working it out, connecting everyone. privately they're on war footing and going after their enemies...

Aimmigrant. head of google. steve jobs' father from syria. trying to make the point of all the melting pots in the country, tech is melting pot but want lots of companies taking part. it's not just a tech problem. it's not don't want to create jobs here but all kinds of innovation has to happen to create jobs for everybody. can't limit it at all in terms of bringing people in. i think that's the focus. >> and this is very important because we've become a tech society and that's where things are going. >> right. >> if you get more information please come back. >> and all will be on the site soo...

Are. >> they don't deliver consumer products. >> consumer product. you say in here that's normally done in a small circle. you try one state and you see how that works and then you start to expand it out over time. >> no one does the complicated softwa software delivery all at once. whoever created the software that's running the control room here tested it first before they brought it, you know, to msnbc and nbc and said here, use this in every studio. no one does that. they did that. >> what about -- this is a goth that operates this giant thing called social security, medicare, millions and...