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Permanent basis. how did he do? >> he's done a good job, been very aggressive, been transparent, reached out to veterans groups, went down to phoenix, classmate of bob mcdonald. i think a lot of folks hoped sloan would stay there. there are six or seven senior level positions open at the va. his experience at p and g may prove helpful because nobody has a worse brand in america right now than the va. so he's got to turn that around, restore the confidence, really reach out in a very tough political climate and try to get things moving in a short period of time because we've got a new president...

Acting secretary was going to be tapped to take over on a permanent basis. how did he do? >> he's done a good job, been very aggressive, been transparent, reached out to veterans groups, went down to phoenix, classmate of bob mcdonald. i think a lot of folks hoped sloan would stay there. there are six or seven senior level positions open at the va. his experience at p and g may prove helpful because nobody has a worse brand in america right now than the va. so he's got to turn that around, restore the confidence, really reach out in a very tough political climate and try to get things moving i...

Wrongfully sloan gibson the acting secretary was going to be tapped to take over on a permanent basis. how did he do? >> he's done a good job, been very aggressive, been transparent, reached out to veterans groups, went down to phoenix, classmate of bob mcdonald. they have a working history together. i think a lot of folks hoped sloan would stay there. there are six or seven senior level positions open at the va. mcdonald has got to fill all those. he has got to restore confidence. his experience at p and g may prove helpful because nobody has a worse brand in america right now than the va. so...