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But is the democratic party facing its own division where part of the party is just resist, resist, resist whatever the president comes up with? >> yeah. i think we were starting to see fissures and, in fact, you saw even the house majority leader, steny hoyer, saying physical barriers should be part of the solution. you had committee chairmen on the democrat side saying give the president money for the wall. i think this growing drum beat got pelosi nervous, but at the same time, she's going to have to confront it because in every negotiation i've been in, when we've had meetings in the white...

That's what the members of this conference committee will be trying to do, to get comprehensive border security on the southern board and, where appropriate, more technology, more personnel and more physical barrier, meaning wall. maria: can you share with us the priorities, what would it cost, what is a practical number? the president's asking for $5.7 billion. the democrats will push back. what do you think is realistic in terms of the next three weeks of negotiation? >> well, i can give you a number approved by the fast -- senate last year, $1.6 billion for new physical barrier or 65 miles ...

Him, and i'm sure, checking with the leaders of the senate and house along the way, but it won't be this highly publicized where the president says wall, and nancy comes occupant of her -- out of her office and says no wall. that's not the way you get a result. maria: you said let's get it into congress' hands, that something can be done about it. to you feel you and your colleagues will have the power to do that? because we know that many of the incoming democrat freshmen congressmen if, actually, are moderate, and they want to get things done. they signed a letter, sent it to leadership sayi...

Wide open areas that if illegals come in, you can actually apprehend them easily because it's so wide open. but then there are other areas like the wall we've been looking at in nancy pelosi's state separating tijuana from san diego where you have a very dense population, three million people on one side of the wall in tijuana, another three million on the other side of the wall in san diego. so what is your thoughts in terms of how much is needed for actual barrier on the southern border? and will you vote yes for wall creation and more wall extension of what we're seeing in this picture? >> ...

Forward a solution on border security, on immigration reform, and let's go through the proper channels of the congress that are built and intended to have this exact conversation. but let's not do it in the context of a shutdown that harms the american people, that harms our economy and risks the pocketbooks of every american. maria: right. what i'm trying to better understand is really the makeup of the new congress because, of course, we know that there's a pocket of democrats who just want the president out, and much of it is politics, and they are resisting anything that he would like. we ...