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A penal law violation or a crime in the state of new york. >> i would say put a few more bricks around the cells. i've been in enough buildings where i can't get cell service that i would think in a prison that would be an easy fix. >> but you want to be able to prosecute the criminal activity. >> the other notion real quickly is that those cell phones are leading to easier contraband. they're talking about people flying drones now to do drops over prisons of contraband and that the cell phone is the coordination device to pick up that drop. so you don't even need the guards to do the smugglin...

With these two inmates. you know when i was a correction officer i would start my tour and first thing i would do i'll date myself a little bit. 1912 the adolescent reception detention center centrally monitored case house, cmc houses okay? i go on the floorch the first thing i do is count the inmates. i got 60 inmates. okay. we county this. the next thing i do is crack their cells and tell them to go in the day room. go in the day room and the third thing i do is start the security inspection of each cell. crack every cell. go into each cell with a maelt and bang the windows and bars and chec...

They were telling stories about dogs hunting dogs they still hear in the night because they can't find their dogs. ed is right, it's all about how you find accountability. >> thank you. >> we'll lean on you going forward. >> great to see you. >> all right. >> again, as ed gavin is laying out, it's all about how they got out and how they can figure from this man, mr. sweat. we are going to talk to the new york governor andrew cuomo and how he plans to get important answers. in the 8:00 hour we'll speak with the new york police commander and the district attorney. they are in charge of this case...

We have big questions developing in the escape of two killers. how did prison guard gene palmer form relationships with them in the first place? joining us is ed gavin. thank you for being with us. >> the pleasure is mine. >> this prison guard provided a screwdriver and tools for them to fix a circuit box in the cat walk behind the cells. he took them to the cat walk behind the cells. he was provided with artwork from these prisoners. i don't know if i'm naive or not, but this sounds bonkers to me that a prison guard would give a screwdriver, among other things to convicted killers. >> i agree...