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Russian spies, north korean hackers. police believe the paris attackers used encryption to help cloak their operation. >> i think we saw in paris that intelligence agencies had no idea that these guys were going to do this. that presents a huge problem, because the united states has been very reliant on its ability to monitor e-mails and phone traffic. if it's losing that, it's going to be harder for it. >> i thank our listeners for tuning in and -- >> a senior fellow at the new america thinktank, showed us one encryption tool being used by isis. >> so this is telegram app. it offers isis unpr...

>> operating in that darkness is a whole range of threats, russian spies, north korean hackers. police believe the paris attackers used encryption to help cloak their operation. >> oh, i think we saw in paris that intelligent agencies had no idea that these guys were going to do this and that present as huge problem because the united states is being very reliant on the ability to monitor phone calls and traffic. if it's losing that, it's going to be a lot harder. >> we thank our listeners for tuning in. >> a senior fellow at the new america think tank showed us one encryption tool being used ...

>> oh, i think we saw in paris that intelligent agencies had no idea that these guys were going to do this and that present as huge problem because the united states is being very reliant on the ability to monitor phone calls and traffic. if it's losing that, it's going to be a lot harder. >> we thank our listeners for tuning in. >> a senior fellow at the new america think tank showed us one encryption tool being used by isis. >> so this is a telegram app and offers isis unprecedented ability to reach recruits and fans without worrying about its information being intercepted and unless you sub...

Mathematical algorithms, code that u.s. officials say nearly impossible to crack. >> we don't have the break strong encryption. we will lose them, so that's a huge worry. >> reporter: apps like one called signal encrypt phone calls. telegram encrypt text. matthew green showed us another way terrorists can make their texts disappear on the telegram app. you can program them to self-destruct in a few seconds. i sent green a text to meet me somewhere. he reads it, then -- >> gone. just like that, you got no record of the communication. >> reporter: telegram has an avenue, similar to facebook and ...

Chancellor angela merkel says we have to stay on guard. we have to go after those who are connected to anis amri. >> there's a telegraph app we're hearing about. tunisian authorities say this was the app that was used for anis amri to communicate with his nephew. >> reporter: the app was started in 2013 by two russian brothers here in germany. it's an app, it started as a phone app and was expanded to a desk app. it's described as the app of choice for groups like isis. it has 100 million members, believe it or not. it has a very, very strong encryption. it has -- you can read a message and it...