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That you have a former attorney going on television throwing out allegation and trying to tie michael cohen's father to organized crime and throwing out, well, he's ukrainian, well, the judge is mexican. is this how donald trump operates? >> i absolutely think so. we all know that donald trump is a bully. we all know that he uses twitter to communicate specifically and directly to people. we know that the television is his other means of doing so and rudy giuliani is following that same pattern of behavior. >> it is scary. it is stunning and something else to be investigated by congress. i ima...

Indictmen indictments. this is how trump operates and rudy giuliani decides that no matter what, he's team trump all the way. if he was not willing to do it, trump would not have him around. >> e.j., this gets into serious territory. michael cohen is no stranger to threatening people. he used to do it for donald trump. when we get into a place where a lawyer is on television throwing out their breath and the president of the united states is tweeting them out. we were laughing about rudy giuliani's silliness and the way he speaks. what do you think? >> i think it is appalling. donald trump pur...