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times even funny. we re going to play part of it throughout the hour. admiral william mccraven may not be a household name, but as you re about to see, he s a genuine u.s. hero. we always think of, in recent years, of course, at least in the past year, with admiral m mccraven, as the orchestrater, the architect of the raid that killed osama bin laden. and you know, we ve all read a lot about it. i know peter bergen is here, he s written a whole book about it, an excellent book about it. but this is the guy who s sitting right here, who had the guts to tell the commander in chief, we should do it, let s do it, and when you ordered that raid, and when you said, you think you didn t even know for sure that bin laden was in a abbottabad in that compound, did you? let me make one thing clear, i didn t order the raid. but he told the president of the united states that he thought he could do it. and this is not a small point. the fact of the matter is, it was the pres ....

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