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Know, a centimeter could pass between one country and the other, if that had been dealt with, if the house had acted at all on immigration reform, then, under immigration reform, the salvadorans who have been here for 10 and 15 years contributing the sweat of their brow to this economy under tps, temporary protective services, would have been able to be united with their children. so it's directly because of immigration reform and the lack in the house of representatives to deal with it. but to put on their pantalones and deal with an issue that now we're seeing. who is to blame? i think all o...

Course, they are blaming president obama and his administration. specifically because of daca, deferred action for child arrivals. jose, this has become so contention. does that contribute to the perception in central america that the u.s. is a free-for-all safe haven? >> so let's go a little bit back. so now the president is to be blamed for dealing with an issue that already existed that he inherited and that no one wanted to deal with? so now you blame someone for doing something positive when no one else was willing to do anything. and then i couldn't disagree with my colleague more. this ...