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Mr. mayor. how do you respond to that? well, we re very fortunate we have a terrific police department. we have some very high standards. we require a college degree or similar before an individual will be considered to be a tulsa police officer. the gentleman that s having the problem, the deputy reserve, he was a tulsa police officer, but i believe only for about one year and that was 30 or 40 years ago, and i believe it was before those standards were raised. so do you think it would be worth re-examining the use because i know not every city in this country uses reserve officers reserve deputies at sheriff s departments. should that be reconsidered? well we do use reserve officers but we do not use them in the way that the sheriff s department has done in this particular instance. we use them mainly for crowd control, for parking situations working concerts traffic ....