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Complained so bitterly about? we don't know. i note one further thing that really is troubling in the last 24 hours, putin has repeatedly made reference to nuclear weapons. one of his justifications for invading ukraine i think is a completely manufactured argument, that the ukrainians might soon have nuclear weapons that they could use, but there's no evidence that ukraine has a nuclear program. that was manufactured. and, secondly, putin and his war announcement overnight warned that any country that tried to oppose him by saying we have the most extreme measures, we have new weapons, he mad...

Occupied. so for example, in the luganst and the area in donbas, there are villages being burned down and women and children being killed according to reports i'm getting out of ukraine. so it is not just in kyiv. this is a campaign to terrorize the people, that's shots that we saw falling in kharkiv, that is a terror weapon. they're not hitting military targets, they're trying to obliterate a city. this is putin's way of war. it is talk and fight and persuade zelensky to turn himself over to russian justice and i don't think president zelenskyy has any intention of doing that and certainly th...

System is not only incredibly devastating but it's also a terror weapon. it should be banned by international law and it probably will be if it gets used hire, never used again, once people see it, human rights activists are already against, if this thing is going to create a huge wall of flame that sucks the air out of peoples' lungs, it's a weapon of terror. i think he would use it if he can't get what he wants in kyiv, and this is the problem. we haven't hit the main force. you know, in the united states army, we call artillery the king of battle. well, the russians use two, three times as ...

Targeted, hit a building and hope we get the guy we want as opposed to going in surgically with troops to accomplish that same goal? >> mike: russians have sophisticated armerment. those armorment are very precise and they are using precise womens and use what we saw in kharkiv. what that was, grad rockets. we've seen grad rockets uses a terror weapon because they are not accurate. you fling them in general area of population you want to terrorize. if you use it ethically, you soften the battle field or lay down skofrned earth so only thing there is combatant. they are firing into the center o...

Something as you all know very well is very much a part of russia's playbook. they've used those weapons against their own citizens. they've at least encouraged the use in syria and elsewhere. so it is something we take very seriously. >> so, richard, as russia continues to flail there's bad information out from one of the embassies from russia saying coronavirus was created in a lab in the ukraine, the united states was involved. they're trying to find some way in. how real is this concern about the use potentially of chemical or biological weapons by putin? >> i actually think it is all too ...