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The president continues to fail to understand and recognize the fact that people like this guy are being radicalized. if he is watching tapes done by anwar al awlaki he is being radicalized. >> how much more evidence do you need? it's like the terrorism cases, they don't always have direct correspondents with anwar al awlaki although they did in the fort hood case and he still didn't call that terror. >> there was in arkansas in 2009 where recruiting station were hit. we are seeing a policy failure that goes back in some cases over a decade and other cases my friend mike flynn has been talking...

To understand and recognize the fact that people like this guy are being radicalized. if he is watching tapes done by anwar al awlaki he is being radicalized. >> how much more evidence do you need? it's like the terrorism cases, they don't always have direct correspondents with anwar al awlaki although they did in the fort hood case and he still didn't call that terror. >> there was in arkansas in 2009 where recruiting station were hit. we are seeing a policy failure that goes back in some cases over a decade and other cases my friend mike flynn has been talking that he briefed the white house...

Gunman dressed in black uniforms burst in. they were speaking with each other saying kill as many as you can. he fell down on the ground, bullets whizzed past his head. and then had he was shot from outside the classroom. another testimony from a teacher who was injured isn't the attack said that he heard gunfire, he ordered children in his classroom to get under the benches. gunmen burst in, they lured the children from under the benches saying they were safe and then shot many of them. so this was just a deplorable attack aimed to kill and to inflict as up carnage as possible. the prime mini...

Understanding and verified data because right now we -- it's a lot of this is single source information. and it's very early. we need to be careful with it. >> thank you so much, mr. cox. we also have jim cavanaugh, an nbc and msnbc analyst and atf special agent in charge. he's been involved in a lot of terrorist situations and negotiations in terrorism cases. jim, when you see this kind of a brutal attack, potentially, as the facts seem to be developing in support of, what do you attribute that to? do you think this is a spillover from this region being as volatile as it is? >> well, you know...

Callan. we have successfully tried a terrorist in civilian court before. why is there a concern in this particular case? >> not only have we done it successfully before, but we've done it 500 times we've tried terrorism cases in federal court. the most memorable one, we tried the son-in-law of osama bin laden here in new york city without any difficulty. so the federal courts have procedures available to handle these cases. they have mechanisms for screening classified information and closing the courtroom, and, of course, security, i got to tell you, security in federal courts. it's harder to...