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He wanted north north korea to n that terrorism list. you wanted to engage them with the hope that you could bring them into some kind of rationale. >> rationality and north korea should never be in the same sentence. >> bill: all right. >> what i wanted was inspectors on the ground. i wanted the north koreans begin to dismantle their nuclear capability for plutonium bomb. and i believed we were going to learn more on the ground than sitting in washington, d.c. and doing nothing about the program. >> bill: another disagreement that happens all the time. >> it's a disagreement. and those things...

He wanted north north korea to n that terrorism list. you wanted to engage them with the hope that you could bring them into some kind of rationale. >> rationality and north korea should never be in the same sentence. >> bill: all right. >> what i wanted was inspectors on the ground. i wanted the north koreans begin to dismantle their nuclear capability for plutonium bomb. and i believed we were going to learn more on the ground than sitting in washington, d.c. and doing nothing about the program. >> bill: another disagreement that happens all the time. >> it's a disagreement. and those things...

Isn't already. now, there are chilling claims from libya's own new government. two chemical weapons sites found there. libya is asking the world community for help in dealing with this discovery of wmds. let's talk about it with david shank every, director of the program on arab politics at the washington institute for ner east policy, also a former middle east adviser to secretary of defense rumsfeld. were you at all surprised that the libyan government announced it has chemical weapons? >> no, not at all. in the aftermath of u.s. invasion of iraq, the libyan government got caught red handed ...

determine their own destiny in a new and democratic libya. >> no details from the president as to exactly how gadhafi died. there are clearly many, many questions about that. i want you to take a look at that. this footage shot today in gadhafi's home town. sirte. it appears to show gadhafi in custody and still alive up against that truck. it is jumpy, hard to follow. we do see this man purportedly gadhafi, in this semi upright position. clearly under duress. quite possibly mortally wounded. the most detailed account we have thus far at cnn. detailed but unconfirmed, is that he was w...

Historical events, neil? >> well, we have only a limited number of things we can do that are going to be meaningful with iran, but we have already -- we already have sanctions on iran and we are also trying to address with a meaningful coalition their nucleolar weapons program. but i think that this would -- if we have the goods here, if indeed a direct connection can be made through rain-siar and those within the iranian government, i think we have to consider other things. right now we've even got one of the iranian opposition groups on our terrorism list. i think we should take them off. it...