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Mccaul, homeland security chairman in the house, he said that isis has a plot to infiltrate that community. to me, if he would have explained it that way, i don't think it would have been as controversial. >> yeah, the security concern is entirely understandable. we should be tapping the brakes on these visa programs, especially associated with any of these countries that have a terrorism problem. and i think we need less muslim immigration and less legal immigration generally. i think the problem with the way he's set this out are two fold. one, if you're going to stop an upstanding individua...

And we'll have congressman mccaul, homeland security chairman in the house, he said that isis has a plot to infiltrate that community. to me, if he would have explained it that way, i don't think it would have been as controversial. >> yeah, the security concern is entirely understandable. we should be tapping the brakes on these visa programs, especially associated with any of these countries that have a terrorism problem. and i think we need less muslim immigration and less legal immigration generally. i think the problem with the way he's set this out are two fold. one, if you're going to s...

Naturalization process on all german, italian and japanese immigrants who were already in this country but who had emigrated from their respective countries. he put a stop to it on the spot. that's the kind of action i think we are looking for here. in the case of the wife here, who was involved, who came into this country on a pakistani passport, the question has to be, i think, at some point, why are we letting people like this in the country. it is bad enough we have to deal with people that are native-born americans. that's a different problem in a sense. it is part of the same problem but...

This is the third incident this year. in march it was a restaurant, five dead. in august, another hotel, 13 dead. that had, certainly, nothing to do with the recent incident in paris. i mean, geopolitically their objectives are, certainly, to set up an emirates in the state of mali and try to spread that to other countries. this is a step in that direction. and like all radical islamic groups, they take advantage of the local situation, local grievances, lack of political reform here, lack of social justice, lack of economic opportunity. they feed on all of that to address those issues and go ...

We are back now with lieutenant colonel rick francona and bob baer. 91% of suspected terrorists on the u.s. watch list who were trying to buy a gun were able to get one legally here in the united states. what needs to be done if we are going to close this loophole? >> we need much more rigorous enforcement of gun laws. terrorists need weapons. i'm not saying that more rigorous gun controls will solve the terrorism problem. if you can begin to tighten up their access to arms as we tighten up their access to money and to the united states you begin to solve the problem in pieces.