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Courtroom when it was sean hannity revealed to be michael cohen's third client. >> i think, really, any name at that point would have been surprising. but to think that it was a host of a news network who is represented by -- or had some legal dealings with the president's personal attorney was a shocker for everybody. there was definitely a moment of where that air gets out of a courtroom. katy, you know what i'm talking about when it just tells like all of a sudden everybody exhales, and can't believe we heard that name. that was definitely surprising. it was packed here. my colleague, hanna...

Learn from them. and i think the other issue that does not get enough play is how important family unification at the moment that the bombs went off and the priorities that the boston police, the red cross, other institutions put into getting runners who didn't have phones right, most of them don't have phones with family members who have no idea where they were you know in that process, in that run, getting them together because once you know you're okay your family's okay you leave the site you relieve public safety resources to focus on those that are harmed and so that quick decision to ju...

They get sentenced to live out their days in well-deserved obscurity. but just because it doesn't make headlines all the time doesn't mean it isn't happening frequently. the trusted bin laden lieutenant who was just convicted earlier this year in a federal courtroom in manhattan, awaiting a sentence now that could be up to life in prison. earlier this month, it was loretta lynch, the federal prosecutor who president obama nominated to be attorney general, just got a conviction of a plotter fof the new york subway, and targets in manchester, england. that latest conviction this month was the fo...

Those are just a couple of examples. but the u.s. criminal justice handles high-end terrorism trials with success. when is the last time a trial resulted in a not guilty verdict for the accused terrorist? after the boston marathon bombing, a whole clutch of republican senators, john mccain lindsey graham kelly ayotte, they came out and said even though dzhokhar tsarnaev was a u.s. citizen committed this crime in the u.s. should be designated an enemy combatant. those republican senators demanded he be denied a defense attorney and be held indefinitely in detention to gather intelligence. they ...

Maybe we'll get some in a minute. morris davis former chief prosecutor for terrorism trials. dan kleinman, very respected writer, wrote "kill or capture." i want you both to get in on this. i want to learn. morris, what do we do with all the people down there? if we can bring some to trial, we bring them to trial here. that's the easy part. what do we do with people we know from interviews -- >> if we know they're dangerous, we've got to kind of evidence, we ought to be able to prosecute them in court. as the president said yesterday and as he said back in '08 -- >> what's the charge? >> that'...