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The zoo would be across the harbor. this is mid-town manhattan. police not sharing a lot of information. but they are refraining from calling it an act of terror. >> we are not sure it's a terrorist event. we are dealing with a hostage situation. and we are dealing with it accordingly. by walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it may in the end. >> it's wise to be prudent with our language as we describe these things but at a certain point you can't deny what obviously unfolding. i was listening to another network on my drive in. they say we don't have any information what the motive

>> well, where it is similar is that almost every government says it is respecting the rights, and every government pretends it is behaving lawfully and in the case, the cia has lost the lawful cover and falling back on the utilitarian argument, but it is a weak utilitarian argument, because if you are going to violate the torture, you better be saving the world from a massive terrorist event, and when brennan said, that we got useful information and he was even there fudging, because he said that the people in the program got the information and the person that we know the most about is abu z...

And so how much does this torture regime look like what happens like other places in the world? >> well, where it is similar is that almost every government says it is respecting the rights, and every government pretends it is behaving lawfully and in the case, the cia has lost the lawful cover and falling back on the utilitarian argument, but it is a weak utilitarian argument, because if you are going to violate the torture, you better be saving the world from a massive terrorist event, and when brennan said, that we got useful information and he was even there fudging, because he said that t...

Tragedy of lockerbie, this is a tragedy. >> when you look at 9d/11 as a terrorist event, the united states went to war. the united states isn't going to war over this. is it perhaps dangerous to call it a terrorist act and not go to war over it. >> i think what you call it in many way saemantical. i know innocent people were killed that had no reason to be killed. this may have been a mistake but the fact is, if putin wasn't arming rebels, if putin wasn't aiding and abetting separatists, this wouldn't happen. i think the world needs to take a united stand against what putin is doing otherwise ...

>> now let me go back to you, brian, because the right wing's reaction to this report, their response really hurt the report. watch this. >> outrage over conservative americans being labelled extremist by the dhs. >> i warned you that if there were a terrorist event in america, the first people to be targeted by this spineless, cowardly, communist federal government would be patriots who own guns. >> the report i'm talking about came out a couple of weeks ago where they said that the veterans, exveterans may be a threat, a tea bag person is kind of a threat possibly to the united states. >> fo...