this kind of international terrorist organization running afghanistan i think is a bit of a misconception. i don t i m not privy to the intelligence or what the secretary said about isis or al qaeda reconstituting themselves. but afghanistan has not been for 20 years and people don t anticipate that it will be, a terrorist haven the way there are other places in the world that are terrorist havens, where, by the way, we don t have troops on ground. that s historically been the situation for us. is how we ve tried to stop terrorism through the group, not through having boots on ground but through intercepting it before it begins. catty kay, such a braid of i think painful sort of ptsd inspiring issues for the american military, for american allies, for the afghan allies who helped us, our interpreters for the women and girls and anyone that is worked on this
going to do to prevent the possible fall of kabul in a very short period of time. the fact that this is converging on the 20th anniversary of 9/11 i think makes it this all the more profound as far as the 20 years of effort that was put into trying to bring afghanistan out of the terrorist haven that it was, and now with what seems to be a rush to exit this unfortunately is now, i think, raising more questions about the decision initially, but then the decisions that the biden administration has to make from here on. director brennan, let me show you what the president said just a few weeks ago and ask you if you can sort of square what he was communicating with what the intelligence community might have known at the time. the taliban is not the north vietnamese army. they re not remotely comparable in terms of capability. there s going to be no circumstance where you are going
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we need reinforcements like jason in washington. martha: i completely agree. i m sure all americans do. i want to play this from rand paul who was on this show last week. he believes we need to get out of gans, as you well know out of afghanistan, as you well know. this is what he said. i have yet to meet a general who can tell me succinctly what the mission in afghanistan is. the people of afghanistan needs to step up. ultimately islam needs to police islam. it can t be americans always doing the job for everyone. martha: do you agree or disagree, jason church? i, look, think we need to support the president s decision to draw downs troops because we need to put onus on the afghans to police themselves. but we cannot allow afghanistan to be another terrorist haven. that is why 9/11 happened. we need to allocate resources and the manhunt necessary to
home. two people who are worried that the united states would force a control and afghanistan and opened up to become a terrorist haven, that is reassuring news. i think that alone is the biggest thing that is come out of this week, the acknowledgment that we will leave a force of some size, obviously shrunk from what has been but i think that was important. the chairman of the joy chief did not seem so comparable about that. he said maybe he is talk about total withdrawal, he could use the withdrawal word in any pulldown of troops will be conditioned based but this president really does seem to want to get most if not all of u.s. troops out. it is a camping promise in 2016. the 8600 is how many troops in afghanistan when trump came into office. it is really of course, general is worried about squandering all the result on the battlefield. but let me talk about polls and