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Than america right now. i think what's so important is that many people who still want to criticize mandela and think of him in the years, 30 years ago when he did embrace the arms struggle. they want to label him with the terrorist label. completely and utterly misses the point and doesn't understand the arc of history. mandela came out and told everybody to gather their knives, the guns, throw them into the sea. there was no question he was not embracing any kind of arms struggle at the end. by the way, having had the most appallingly violent arms struggle perpetrated against the majority of...

As to the 9-11 terrorists -- >> bill: part of a group. not lone gusmen. >> why is it muslims who get this terrorist label? >> bill: because the jihad comes out of muslim. do you not get that? >> i get that, but the motivation for someone to commit one of these heinous acts is subjective. >> bill: no, it's not! >> they could be mad at their husband. >> bill: you told me at the top i had my facts right. why is crowell -- >> do you want me to walk out the way what's her name, whoopie goldberg -- >> bill: you want an honest answer? >> yeah. >> bill: you're dead wrong on this. there is a jihad. it ...

The nazis, equally as loathsome as to the 9-11 terrorists -- >> bill: part of a group. not lone gusmen. >> why is it muslims who get this terrorist label? >> bill: because the jihad comes out of muslim. do you not get that? >> i get that, but the motivation for someone to commit one of these heinous acts is subjective. >> bill: no, it's not! >> they could be mad at their husband. >> bill: you told me at the top i had my facts right. why is crowell -- >> do you want me to walk out the way what's her name, whoopie goldberg -- >> bill: you want an honest answer? >> yeah. >> bill: you're dead wron...

>> bill: part of a group. not lone gusmen. >> why is it muslims who get this terrorist label? >> bill: because the jihad comes out of muslim. do you not get that? >> i get that, but the motivation for someone to commit one of these heinous acts is subjective. >> bill: no, it's not! >> they could be mad at their husband. >> bill: you told me at the top i had my facts right. why is crowell -- >> do you want me to walk out the way what's her name, whoopie goldberg -- >> bill: you want an honest answer? >> yeah. >> bill: you're dead wrong on this. there is a jihad. it comes out of islam and you an...