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Said all talked of the promises. eric: he does have a point when he said that be nice to recommend hasn't worked in 25 years so i would work now. look, 1994 the oil for food program administration with clinton and north korea lied any of the six party talks that failed in president george w. bush took north korea off the terrorist list and that's an olive branch to them and they gave us the baseball bat. president george w. bush tried and it still didn't work. >> yeah, the fact that we're still having this conversation with north korea today means that all of the previous administrations since...

President george w. bush took them off the terrorist list. but the 60s-party talks didn't work. and they pulled the plug on that, too. >> they worked for north korea, they didn't work for us. negotiations buy time. in a nuclear proliferation context, time is something the proliferator desperately needs. my prediction would be if at any point north korea wants the announce they want to sit down to talk, it means they are this close to getting a nuclear weapons capability and they want to make sure they get across the finish line. eric: is there any point for to us stop that? they will not stop ...

To both of you from d.c. this evening. mark, lemme get your thoughts on this first based on that video and that back and forth. >> i think -- first of all, your heart goes out to the warmbier family. i can imagine what it would feel like to go into an ambulance and see your son in that condition. it's absolutely heartbreaking. they are absolutely right. at this as a terrorist regime. they were on the terrorist list for 20 years, taken off in 2008 by the bush administration as part of a deal, not because they gave up their support for terror but because they agreed to give up their nuclear weap...

Nuclear reactor there. and the fuel rods and all the rest of it. and a few months later they blew up the cooling tower. all this was their demonstration they were engaging in a process of negotiations with the united states and for an exchanges for releasing sanctions and taking them off the international terrorist list. then it all collapsed. then comes kim jong-un and negotiates full stopped. there has been nothing of any significance between the u.s. and its six-power allies and north korea. and in that time, north korea has sped ahead and has shown the world it can do what it's done withou...

To the negotiating table. i think the state department is following the same pattern much like your dog and the bone. that statement you just played from secretary tillerson was an excellent example of barack obama's foreign policy it's a policy the united states has pursued unsuccessfully for 25 years. if we can just talk to the north koreans maybe we can chit-chat them out of their desire to have nuclear weapons. it has failed and brought us to where we are today. there is no evidence whatsoever that north korea's behavior will change. eric: what will change that. president george w. bush to...