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Administration. so, ben and julie, welcome. >> thank you. >> thanks for having us. >> before we get going, let me show you this one thing. this is what al gore said. he tweeted about this. this is his tweet about the surveillance program. obscenely outrageous, he says. is it me or is it secret blanket surveillance obscenely outrageous. ben, i want to begin with you. you are a conservative who we love to have on this show. am i hearing this correctly, you're agreeing with al goere. >> yeah. the reason they're expanding this is the opposite of what they're intended to do. if a number is being di...

Complete audit of those numbers is done daily and can be overseen by the administration, congress, and the courts. so this change would put it in the telephone companies. is that a distinction without a difference operation wise? >> actually, the telephone companies already have the data. it's their data. they supply that to us. so rather than us taking all the data, all we're going to get is that data that directly links to a terrorist number. now, there are some things we have to work our way through to insure we have the agility and crisis, but i think all of that is doable. so this is an a...

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Need to get into that database. they have to demonstrate to the fisa court what procedures they're going to use. and that if they get a telephone number that's found overseas, for example, or that comes up in an investigation, and they want to now check to -- and it's a suspected terrorist, they can run it through the database to see if that suspected terrorist number has called numbers in the u.s. and what numbers those numbers have called. so what they say is that you can't just idly sift through the data. you can't take the data and run it through a computer to do so-called data mining. you...