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With me in national security analyst peter bergen. there have been a number of close calls since 9/11. plots foiled, attackers caught, none of those attacks have been like this attack today, however. >> a number of attacks in that piece for informant driven. lucky they they didn't pan out. but it shows from a terrorist perspective, they're like school shooters, they learn from other inciden incidents. we've seen 15 of these attacks in the west since 2014. they killed 142 people including the eight people who were killed today in manhattan. unfortunately this is the tactic of choice now, it req...

Is that right, malcolm? >> absolutely right. i spent many times in barcelona. >> before we start our conversation here, for our viewers at home, on the left side of your screen, that's a news conference that is ongoing. it is in spanish. we have someone standing by for us and we are going to try and decipher precisely what was just said. he appeared to take some questions. a spanish official just wrapping up a news conference. kelly cobiella is standing by. malcolm, this part of barcelona that we're talking about, for folks watching and listening, describe this area and why it might be such a ...

Tech fang-type companies like facebook, apple, amazon, those will be a magnet for increased investment. those will be there fore targets that can cause a big problem if something went wrong from a terrorist perspective. >> one more wild card at you since you dismissed the ones that i did. one could be the debt ceiling argument and the fact that democrats might want to try to hold it hostage as well by limiting tax cuts. we'll raise the debt ceiling for you if you go slow on the tax cuts. you don't do that, then all of a sudden we run out of money sometimes in the next month or two. what do you...

>> your honor, i'm sorry. i haven't thought -- as i said, i had not done that math before the argument. i have not thought about the case in those terms because -- >> let me switch to the other part of it. i mean, do you deny that, in fact, there is concern about people coming from those countries separate and apart from what their religion might be because as congress and the previous administration have concluded, those countries are a concern from a terrorist perspective? >> your honor, congress had determined that those -- and the executives have determined that those countries, as i think...

The probability this was some kind of horrific accident is small. it looks like it fits in with the criteria would expect for a jihadist attack, similar to what we saw in nice, from the jihadist perspective, an attack on a french national holiday -- >> there were weapons there. it is different in the sense that i'm not hearing reports of shots. it sounds like this individual we know nothing about this individual or if this person has even been caught, drove up going who knows how fast into this crowd of revelers. >> one of the lessons of the nice attack from the terrorist perspective and jihad...