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You said it such an obvious point, why would there be such a loud caucus against nationalism, against national unity? >> i think there's two things going on, when you look at the president of france, he likes the idea of trans nationalism, trying to replace the idea of nationalism with the idea of regional nationalism. and you look at the united states, the people that say that nationalism is a bad thing orad racist think they jut aren't necessarily proud of the country that the united statesit is. they are focused on all the bad that the united states has done and they don't look at the posit...

>> well, your honor, we think we prevail under either test but we think this case is closer to larson because in larson, what you had was a facially neutral law. it didn't not mention religious domination by name but it did focus on religious groups and the result of it was to distinguish between them in a way that favored some and not others. and that's exactly what we have here. we have an order that on its face doesn't mention any denomination, but that is -- we have alleged and there's strong evidence already to support is intended to favor some religious groups over others and that is -- ...

Can't challenge visa denials or revocations. the claims that the state -- >> sure they can. >> -- is bringing are -- >> sure they can. look, the whole point of the dinn case was dinn, himself, rather, dinn's husband couldn't challenge but she could. and three justices of the court were prepared to throw it out at the first step, but the other six justices were not. they took up the claim. why isn't the state of washington in a comparable position, say as the proprietor of the stay universities, having the same kind of interest that the scholar plaintiffs did in mandell? >> well, the problem is...

President's national security judgment about the level of risk and we've been talking about the level of risk that is acceptable. as soon as we're having that discussion, it should be acknowledged that if the president is the official that is charged with making those judgments. i'd also like to -- >> so where we -- >> -- talk briefly -- >> are you arguing then the president's decision in that regard is unreviewable? >> the -- yes. the -- what we -- there are obviously constitutional limitations, but we're discussing the risk assessment. >> what are the constitutional limitations that the gove...

Apply to them, so don't worry about it. that's half a million people who are in the united states who overnight at least according to government initially lost their right to travel, to come in and out of the country, to visit their relatives. several people -- >> why shouldn't we limit the order, the temporary restraining order, reached to those people who you've got a strong case for like the lprs? why should the temporary restraining order reach beyond that? that seems to be the government's principle argument that it was overbroad. why isn't it joef broad? >> for three key reasons, your ho...