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Them up they required the u.s. and allies to spend billions or else they said they can try again. >> i wonder iffing there particular attention to the ramadan ramadan, you get ten times the reward in heaven plus added to that july 4th but the lone wolf threat is something that counter-terror guys talk about all the time. is the fact this is the new normal? >> this is absolutely the new norm at not only facing the united states but a threat much bigger in europe places like the uk and france. there's a lot more of these radicals have gone off to syria and iraq. one of the big concerns as well i...

Reasonable mind there is who may be willing to consider that. not having anything is off the table. 80% of americans agree with rand paul. of course they want to see something there. >> benefit, you hit on the confounding divide that the republicans and democrats can't even agree on whether or not the phone collection program worked for terrorist attacks. we have mike rogers on one side the chairman of the house intelligence committee now cnn contributor who says that if thwarting 54 terror plots world wide. then you have people like presidential hopeful mike huckabee who say this over the wee...

Mike huckabee hopes they should get a warrant to listen in on programs. >> 225 different terrorists plot over the past year since 9/11 and so far, not one of them has been tied directly to the nsa collection of data. if this is so effective, how come it hasn't resulted in the foiled terrorist plots? >> the issue has divided the 2016 field with several arguing with keeping the program or a modified version of it to fight terrorism. the investigation into hillary clinton's e-mails getting dismissed as petty politics. hud secretary julian castro calling out the republicans on sunday for wasting...

I don't want to be made unsafe but, chris 225 different terrorist plots over the past year since 9/11 and so far not one of them has been tied dream to the n.s.a. collection of data. if this is so effective how commit hasn't resulted in the foiled terrorist plots? those have been foiled by old fashioned good police work, old fashioned human intelligence. it seems like we are spending billions of dollars on the whiz bang technology and not enough money on human resources which really is proving to be the most effective way of stopping terrorism. >> let's turn, now to your candidacy. you announc...

Nsa's collection of metadata. so if this is so effective, how come it hasn't resulted in the foiled terrorist plots? >> hmm. so there you also have ben, mike huckabee saying no this should not go any further. >> you got a big divide here. it's a divide within the democratic party and the republican pertarty. i'll give rand paul credit for one thing. he is very consistent on this issue and has been for years since he ran for the senate the first time. he is one of those that says that you should have an awful lot of protection against your data being taken by the government or monitored by the ...