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Communications. james, five inspectors general looked at the program i governed and which you wrote about, and in a public report said there were no abuses. controversial program, but no abuses. >> but general, snowden got into things you had no idea he was getting into. >> i understand -- >> how do you know he's wrong? >> one more point. congressman, it's only terrorism. the only way you can access the meta data is through a terrorist predicate. >> where is that written? >> it's in the court order. it's in the broad structure that david -- >> that's how you get the idea. and once the fbi has ...

The things he claimed he was able to do in terms of tapping communications. five inspectors general looked at the program which you wrote about, and in a public report said there were no abuses. controversial program but no abuses. >> but snowden got into things you didn't know about. >> one more point, though. congressman, it's only terrorism. the only way you can access the meta data is through a terrorist predicate. >> where is that written? >> it's in the court order. it's in the broad structure -- >> but that's how you get the data. once the fbi has it, their practice is, and we asked the...