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Really happy they can get out but now they understand that they're homeless and it's another pain for all of us to -- we cannot before we stop this war, we cannot return to our city and build it from the scratch. >> we've also heard these reports of russians essentially, well, not even essentially kidnapping ukrainians and taking them inside russia. are you hearing those things? are you hearing of these people once they've been taken inside russia? >> there are different situation. some people willing to go out of the city anyway because they really don't want to go to russia but only choice t...

War, joy. the other side is what you're talking about, which is the absolute devastation of civilian areas and the direct targeting of civilian areas by the russian army. we talked a lot about mariupol, the deadliest single attack we've seen in the war is on that theater, at least 300 people killed but again, these are early numbers. the numbers are going to be far worse than that and when you look at the big picture in the eastern part of the country, you see this brutal punishment of civilians on behalf of the russian army. it almost as though the ukrainian army is fighting the russian army....

Global peace and security and therefore, i think it's so critically important that president biden who has this wealth of experience in the foreign policy front is able to demonstrate america's commitment tangibly not only by his presence along those front line states but also by the announcements about the extent of u.s. aid, humanitarian aid and flow of weapons. we're in this. this is very much a hot war. maybe the russians are sending out signals they will focus on donbas and reflects the facts russians realize things are not going well for them and taking it on the chin. so important by th...

The bad guy and the good guy on the stage. during the iraq war, much of the war was outraged by american leadership and ditto when donald trump was president and threatened to pull us out of nato and probably would have got out of the claimant change agreements out of the iran nuclear deal just made america sort of a rogue version of ourselves. so now we see kind of the reverse. joe biden bringing back the west and saying the west is back. america is back. nato certainly seems to be back. but some of the countries that are now actually doing the right thing when it comes to refugees have some ...

Say? >> it's -- i understand from one side to president biden and all others politicians, they really care about their people in their countries and they don't want to take direct part in the world war iii, which really started already, but if they -- you can't make -- how say? you can't avoid it. it's not about putin starts some direct war with the u.s. or with you only if we get the planes. when he decided he do it anyway, if you give us plane or you don't give us plane so it's not