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Happen anywhere if things don't go the way they should or the way we think they should, but the combat stress means there could be nightmares, daymares, sleep pattern changes, loud noises and sudden jolts and things can change things. they're looking deeper i'm sure where there any of those contributing factors there? even though there could be a period of time lapses before those things show up and not having seen combat firsthand like maybe he didn't as we could see quote, unquote, but he could have the same effects because he was in the theater of war. >> the pictures you were seeing was of...

Many. that list is sobering. what is causing these people to snap? >> well, i think there's such a huge challenge in coming back from war and having to reassimilate back into society. it's not as easy as it sounds, obviously. but i think the biggest thing is these individuals try to normalize after coming back and living in that kind of chaos with chemicals running every day, threat for their life. it's not easy to transition quickly and get back to society as we know it here in the safe community. >> terry, they say the shooting suspect here, ivan lopez, served in iraq for four months though ...

Day problems would be covered by this bill at all. >> okay. >> and i think that's a good thing they're not covered by this bill because people should get help and shouldn't be discouraged from getting help because of possible future consequences down the line. >> that's the perfect question for terry. i have always wondered in your line of work when do you decide that the person who's come to you for counseling needs to be reported because he or she might be dangerous? >> well, as was mentioned in the legal side, there are ramifications of how to report and when to report and what we try to de...

Treatment or help doesn't necessarily mean they have an intent to harm someone, however, the gun is what's in the middle, so it's going to be tricky to put the law into place that protects the patient or person seeking help versus the person who could be dangerous with a weap weapon. >> terry and jeff toobin -- >> go ahead. >> the national rifle association supports this bill, so it's not surprising the number people excluded under this bill is very, very small. >> it's a good point to make and still a continuing story. thank you. up next, a story that might just outrage you because the pict...