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People look at getting into the best schools. >> what's the libertarian point of view on this? >> you should have the best people --ç >> what about -- >> in this day and age, it's grades, it's extracurricular activity. >> that's the whole person. >> it's hard work. >> did you get -- is it 1600? >> something impossible. >> they bumped it up to 24. >> if you are a good test taker and that happens to be the metric schools use to allow people entrance, then the good test takers are going to get in. at least that some valid k criteria you can compete against. there are ways of changing your grade...

To go to further school. others are put through other things, vocational, which is not bad thing. i don't think we need to determine these things in the fourth grade. that is the problem with things like common core. >> the problem with this we become a nation of good test takers then what? there is no independent thought. when kids get to college, look what is happening on college campuses? they're force fed very narrow ideas and no discourse on college campuses. there is no independent thought. andrea: you talk about this all the time on your show, kennedy we were talking about the break you...

>> so this is like the home loan thing and greeting as -- and getting as many people involved? you can't get rid of the college debt. >> the debt? >> like what you owe. >> the whole machine. from the s.a.t. to the colleges and the grad schools. >> the s.a.t. measures how good of a test taker you are. i crushed the s.a.t.'s. people who did a lot worse on them did better than me in college. i don't think it means anything. i agree some kids can be tutored on top of s.a.t. prep and destroys any notion that it is a fair test of anything. jedediah, talking about essay, they are making it optional. ...

I was a bad test taker. >> they got it reversed. >> i think joanne is a little worried about you. >> just a little. >> is this a generational thing or is this just -- i don't know. >> i think part of the problem in school today people don't memorize anything. >> true. >> you say mercury, venus, earth, mars. how do you remember that? you had to meme -- memorize it. memorizing is bad. the children are simply wasting their time. they are not thinking creatively and this and that. memorization is very important. it doesn't matter if you understand the space time continuum as long as you know the e...

To new york to wisconsin? >> look at their high school transcripts. >> but different high schools have different demands and you don't know if there's an inflation of grades from here to there. >> my son is a senior in classroom too. >> and you're going to put it on dudes outside of princeton that decide this. >> are you telling me it's a bunch of guys smoking pot. >> no, it's been unattack for years and for good reason. >> i also know that three of the ten schools he is applying to don't want them. >> let them all get rid of them. >> what they should have is an essay test because of the inept...