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People. i want to caution people that the most unreliable piece of information here, it isn't entirely appropriate to talk about it and include it in the report, is the witness test testimony because they were in situations that no one should be in. and they will remember things differently. if you don't have information right now, worse than saying the wrong thing is silence. you have to get up, you have to tell the public and the media, here is what we know right now. it's preliminary. here is why we think this is the case. here is why we need more information and go from there, and that has...

Have asked her to take time to reflect and learn about the impact of her comments. more about that in the next hour. i want to bring in stewart stevens, senior adviser to the lincoln project, and elliott williams. good evening. thank you so much for joining us on a very busy news night. elliott, another big name from the pence inner circle, greg jacob. greg jacob was a former general council to vice president pence, he was with him on january 6th as the capitol was attacked. how crucial do you think his test testimony is? >> a number of people around pence is testifying. if pence does not come...