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The cultural piece of that is right now leading much faster than the political piece. so from modern family, macklemore song, the grammys, a fairly staid, you might say centrist kind of mass-marketed programming, can all feel, you know what, this debate is over. it's over for young people. it's over for people who care about equality. it is not going to reverse. in some ways, we have won, but it's a slow-motion win. and so, to me, seeing that last point of unity, across the entire platform, across the entire program, very powerful. >> it's absolutely correct. and it's a testament to, if you're...

Book of ruined homes and displaced dreams. it's about fight and courage and hope and, you know, it's a testament to, yeah, it may -- the scope of this problem may be so huge, but there's people out there on the streets doing it every day and they're going to win. i mean at some point they're going to win. they have such an incredible battle before them, but there's people fighting and that's the only way to win it. you can't just walk away. >> we surely hope they're going to win. detroit is really going through it right now. this film really puts it in perspective. thank you and congratulation...

Are you surprised it blew up today? >> yeah, for two reasons, one, so much blood lust out there, and two i'm really surprised the establishment gop led by folks like carl rove has acted so swiftly in terms of condemnation. that's testament to, a, the field being unsettled and the sense on veteran gop strategists that rick perry might not be ready for primetime. >> the chief dynamic here, which is always the dynamic in primaries, but particularly right now in this early stage in the republican party circa 2011 is the most rabid voters is the one they are pandering to, this fed pandering is supe...

>> yeah, for two reasons, one, so much blood lust out there, and two i'm really surprised the establishment gop led by folks like carl rove has acted so swiftly in terms of condemnation. that's testament to, a, the field being unsettled and the sense on veteran gop strategists that rick perry might not be ready for primetime. >> the chief dynamic here, which is always the dynamic in primaries, but particularly right now in this early stage in the republican party circa 2011 is the most rabid voters is the one they are pandering to, this fed pandering is super intense for them. here's what rove...