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Dozens of millions of dollars over the course of a year or two or three. and then here's what -- okay, well, i mean, basically, that seems pretty obvious to me, okay, elliot, it doesn't seem like you need to be a mathematician to see that something is wrong there and we were asking michael about why, then, tish james would need more information from donald trump's children. here is what michael cohen said. >> that's not something that you need don jr. or eric's testimony on. in fact, i think what they're just trying to do is to be more than 100% certain by having others who could also be invol...

Himself? not only in terms of getting political dirt on joe biden but also holding up that ukraine money, which they're getting testimony on. bill taylor is important, a d diplomat who was openly skeptical about the road they were going down in those text messages. so i think this combination of political appointees as margaret was saying, and fiona hill, others who were career diplomats, these two groups saying this is out of bounds, completely inappropriate, and is the president directing all of this. you go from the whistle-blower report that talks about all these other people in the white ...

Because things are moving quickly. they have been in discussion with the whistle-blower's attorney about potential getting he or she in front of that committee. of course, to hear that testimony likely behind closed doors. >> kaitlan, to you. we're hearing a list of -- the list is starting to grow and it's just beginning of white house administration officials that could be called up to capitol hill for testimony on -- as part of this investigation. what are you hearing from there in terms of -- we've seen how easily that has gone over with past investigations. what are you hearing there in te...