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Messaging. let's discuss now. frank rooney is here. ed navorro, jill lockhart. thank you for joining me here. to what do i owe the honor? everyone is in the studio. >> we're going for impeachment drinks afterwards. peach schnapps and what? >> bill taylor's testimony, the top u.s. diplomat to the ukraine, continues to reverberate. how do you defend the indefensible. we can't defend the indefensible. the testimony by taylor was devastating and we are waiting for the next shoe to drop. a third source flat out admitting taylor's testimony points to quid pro quo and other source are going to cooper...

Taylor's testimony, the top u.s. diplomat in ukraine, continues to reverberate on capitol hill. a republican source saying, and i quote here, how do you defend the indefensible? we can't defend the substance. all we can do is talk about process. another congressional source saying the testimony by taylor was devastating, and we are waiting for the next shoe to drop. a third source flat out adm admitting taylor's testimony points to quid pro quo. and our reporting is that other officials are set to corroborate it next week. what do you think? >> i don't think this is surprising at all. i mean, ...

>> does it appear to you that the inconsistencies in the testimony points to -- what does it point to? do people want to protect the president? are they protecting themselves? >> so i think it points to -- first of all, i obviously was not in the room for any of the testimonies in question. look, people like to talk about what people are obliged to do in front of congressional committees in terms of law. the reality is that it is about power. it's about whether somebody can stare down the committee and refuse to answer a question and expect to get away with it, or whether they can expect inste...

>> well, there is a grand jury that can subpoena people to testify before it. we understand from the communications from the plane flying back from germany, the air force one flight, that hope hicks and the president and jared kushner and ivanka kushner and don junior by phone were all involved in the crafting of the response to the meeting, and so all these people are subject to examination in a grand jury, and they could set up contradictory testimony points among them. as well, i think the important thing here in terms of the possible obfuscation by don junior is he says, i love it. it was ...

That james comey did not want to be alone with the president. he made a point of saying this is not normal. this feeling is not just me not wanting to be alone with the president. i was alone with president obama and i didn't take notes on my interaction with president obama. he's recognizing there's something weird about this and it couple minute it is a on february 15 where he pulls jeff sessions aside after the morning threat briefing and he says, you cannot leave me alone with that guy. it is inappropriate for the president to be meeting with me one on one. we're doing this investigation. ...