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this to a child, how he loved the vick testimony tim so much,d never do something to jeopardize or hurt his friendship with the family. >> they love children in the worst way. they love children as an object of desire, an object to use as their sex slave, their toy or whatever, and throw them away. >> his family reached out to me. they showed up at my house. they tried to get me to come with them to get charlie out of jail and to drop the charges, telling me that i was a horrible friend and a horrible person for doing what i was doing. after much yelling and shouting, they finally left. we were at the courthouse and at that moment, the district attorney had called john and was on the phone with him and i just saw -- it was like somebody ripped john's heart out.