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Whistleblower saying look, i think that the white house pushed a u.s. official out of her position in ukraine to promote a private agenda that was being pursued through rudy giuliani. and these testimonies are saying, yeah, we think so too. >> so important to break it down in this way. tom, thank you so much. again, we are waiting to see what the next batch, if you will, of testimony transcripts will be when they have them, we will of course bring it all to you. but joining me now is former spokesman for the state and defense departments john kirby, max booth, and also former u.s. attorney har...

You don't get the since that mike pompeo is trying to do the right thing. you get the sense that it is all about him. >> harry, another thing that comes out in these hundreds of pages of transcripts that we've seen is the republican concern about the process. but i would put this way, not in the way that they have been talking about the process publicly. you see lieu this kind of line of questioning concern even from some key republicans that the private proceedings be kept private. from mark meadows and michael mccall, both voicing concern about keeping the confidentiality of the proceedings ...

Harping on exposing the identity of the whistleblower for quite in time. rand paul, republican senator from kentucky, he took it a step further last night. let me play this. >> the whistleblower needs to come before congress as a material witness because he worked for joe biden at the same time hunter biden was getting money from corrupt oligarchs. i say tonight to the media, do your job and print his name. >> when it comes to exposing potential wrongdoing, does the identity of the whistleblower matter when things -- as i'm looking at it, you've got claims in the complaint that are being vette...

Learning from this testimony and transcripts. more and more red flags about the call. strong arming ukraine. possible cover up. character assassination of yovanovitch. and yet nothing was done not by pompeo or anyone. they seem to be afraid of the president. i don't understand why. >> two rules in politics. get elected. let nothing get in the way of being reelected. all of the republican congressmen and senators are worrying about being reelected. and until the public changes, it is beginning to change. we see in the polls. people in favor of impeachment and removal is creeping up. now we're g...

Learning from this testimony and transcripts. more and more red flags about the call. strong arming ukraine. possible cover up. character assassination of yovanovitch. and yet nothing was done not by pompeo or anyone. they seem to be afraid of the president. i don't understand why. >> two rules in politics. get elected. let nothing get in the way of being reelected. all of the republican congressmen and senators are worrying about being reelected. and until the public changes, it is beginning to change. we see in the polls. people in favor of impeachment and removal is creeping up. now we're g...