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That's going to be part of it. >> testing benefits? >> i'm a small business owner that got into this because i was sick and tired of watching the direction of the country was going. it wasn't going the right way. and november the 2nd there was a mandate across this great nation saying we've had enough of this, what's going on. so do i know exactly where the cuts? i know as a small business owner what i do is i troubleshoot in, i find the problem. >> but congressman, this is the real problem. if you want to -- if you're a tea party guy, you come in here and say we've got to really reduce govern...

Conservatives. they will cut programs that do measurable good while doing little to solve our lawn range fiscal crisis. >> we'll see people wrestling over the bed sheets on the titanic. it's 16% of the budget. we're going to do all the fighting over that. the 84%, which will grow to 86% and 88% and 90% in the years ahead, medicare, social security, interest on the debt, veterans, nobody is talking about that. and worse, nobody is even preparing the ground for that. so all around the country you've got people like mayor reed willing to take the serious issues and get to the core of the problem....

And i think that every american out there pretty much realize that say we have to go after the entitlement programs. i believe truly that everything is on the table across the board. >> spell out what you mean. are you for raising the retirement age on social security? >> you know, i don't know if that's going to be part of it. >> testing benefits? >> i'm a small business owner that got into this because i was sick and tired of watching the direction the country was going. it wasn't going the right way. and november the 2nd there was a mandate across this great nation saying we've had enough o...