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Benefit. then they don't understand the goal of testing. steve: and its a cost that it is expensive it is a real hardship. apart from the time cost it is so infuriating. how long can this go on? and then they change the position of masks. they are admitting some of the things we used to say. and then with that testing mania getting everyone tested all the time if you like they have committed to it for the rest of this year at least. >> part of the thing is it just has to do with the big wave of the omicron cases so those around the fear of the virus. i'm hoping that after some

Then they don't understand the goal of testing. steve: and its a cost that it is expensive it is a real hardship. apart from the time cost it is so infuriating. how long can this go on? and then they change the position of masks. they are admitting some of the things we used to say. and then with that testing mania getting everyone tested all the time if you like they have committed to it for the rest of this year at least. >> part of the thing is it just has to do with the big wave of the omicron cases so those around the fear of the virus. i'm hoping that after some

Then they don't understand the goal of testing. steve: and its a cost that it is expensive it is a real hardship. apart from the time cost it is so infuriating. how long can this go on? and then they change the position of masks. they are admitting some of the things we used to say. and then with that testing mania getting everyone tested all the time if you like they have committed to it for the rest of this year at least. >> part of the thing is it just has to do with the big wave of the omicron cases so those around the fear of the virus. i'm hoping that after some

Hurt, et cetera. this comes first. >> dennis, that's a very interesting take. that's not a take that i've heard before. the assertion there essentially being that this is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. >> well, i believe it's a solution to a problem but is often misstated by some on the right. i agree to say our system is broken because kids who live in poverty aren't doing well. that's not the blame. poverty has real impact on kids. and i agree with steven, we need to invest and change in that. i also believe that this whole testing mania has not helped education. it has hurt edu...