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Ties beyond politics even today. >> which is nice that does still exist. >> it does. used to be more common as you know and you often hear republicans and democrats talk about a different time when they did know and spent time together. let's hope that there are repeats of that kind of relationship going forward. >> dana, thank you very much. all right. at any moment this morning, a key player in the impeachment inquiry, u.s. ambassador to the european union, gordon sondland is expected to arrive on capitol hill. a go-between for the trump administration and the ukrainian government, he's th...

>> right, the five hours, but then also, we shouldn't make this about the text message exchange. we also have to talk about what is the broader culture that would lead to taylor making an assertion this is about political exchange of favors or something like that. what would lead to that. much more expansive interview testifying around the culture and the environment and the moment that would lead to those text message exchanges. that's what congress was interested in hearing about during this kind of interview. >> lastly, josh, back over to you. manu just reported in addition to all the thing...

>> what we see in this impeachment is a kangaroo court. >> secretary of state pompeo was asked about this in the last few minutes. watch. >> you can see nothing from pompeo there. but there is plenty from the dozen plus democrats who want sondland to resign. he was the one featured in the text message exchanges, insisting, quote, the president has been crystal clear, no quid pro quos of any kien. and then adding i suggest we stop the back and forth by text. for its part, the white house may be about to ex sclat things any minute. we've got sources telling nbc news a letter may go out to the ho...

That's an argument that very few people around the president in terms of lawmakers are willing to make. they're not even touches the substance of what president trump did on that call or said on that call. they're pivoting to this idea that there is some kind of vast conspiracy theory centered on ukraine where all the answers about what happened in the 2016 election are. the white house is just trying to ignore the facts here by focusing on the whistle-blower, suggesting that these claims are not valid because somehow these individuals don't have direct enough knowledge. we'll find out if that...

Appears frequently in documents that rudy giuliani gave to the state department as part of his bid to push them to investigate the bidens and those documents were given last week by the inspector general by the state department to congress. lots of questions from congress about what he knew and what the timeline was behind the scenes for the president's push to get ukraine to investigate his political rivarivals. >> thank you so much. joining me now is msnbc national security analyst nicholas rasmussen. >> good morning. >> from a national security standpoint what are your expectations from t...