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When we have somebody who is actually living who is a suspect, who has charges already pending against him. i want to begin with you, andrew, because they're pretty serious charges that are there. i mean first-degree murder is nothing to sneeze at, and many more could be on the way. i didn't yet hear them talk about any federal charges. these are at the state level at this point in time. what is your assessment in terms of the strength of the case against this person so far? >> well, it's really interesting, laura. so, of course, first-degree murder charge is a very serious charge. if he's con...

It is interesting because police did go to his door and check to see what was going on. there were knives in the house that they wanted -- they took away initially, say authorities, but then later in the day, the father of this shooter -- or suspected shooter -- says that the knives were his. they were in a case. he was keeping them. and the police say they gave those knives back to the father. here's what police here in highland park say about why they couldn't do more on those incidents. >> the police responded there. police can't make an arrest unless there is probable cause to make an arre...

Unlike a january 6th subpoena, this is actually a criminal one. they've got something behind it in terms of being able to call you in and haul you in. >> yeah. you're not going to casually disregard here. and you're right that it's many different sort of mini episodes, but they've all been pretty well documented. for instance, the lies that giuliani told, they were responsible in part for the loss of his license. so they are what we heard before, and all she's saying for now is material and important witness. so, you know, i think the case for that is made. now, the real issue is going to be a...

Bought it so you have a name. a local business immediately providing video. you see somebody leaving the scene. once the information is put out, a citizen dialing 9-1-1. the chicago police getting up and suspect under arrest. what else jumped up at you in terms of the speed and efficiency of the law enforcement and community response here? >> well, it was such a contrast to what we saw in uvalde. this was a textbook case. this police department was trained. they responded immediately. they saved lives by evacuating people. they secured the scene. they collected evidence. worked with the federa...

Tells the story in very human, dramatic terms. the ketchup on the wall, first of all, that's almost a textbook case of circumstantial evidence, right? don't they charge the jury with that, you can -- you can consider that evidence, you hear angry voices, you walk in, there's ketchup dripping down the wall, but that is the kind of thing that grabs a jury's attention. so we had all of that. we have actually, you know, ticking off the boxes for what criminal conspiracy is and then we have someone filling in a lot of the details that will matter to a jury. and, yeah, as dan pointed out, we do need...