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Is it going to be an agreement to at least have spending caps? is it going to be a full-fledged grand barge jn what are the realistic expectations for what's coming in june? >> chuck, it's important to sort of go back to the principles. this is not a commission. the president asked the leaders of congress to designate leaders to come and meet with the vice president and his economic team to work through and negotiate. that's very different than a commission. so i think -- >> okay. >> the notion of it being a commission is wrong. we had a group that was meeting on the tax bill in december. it w...