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Keith shiller and send him signals that way. he still has time in the residence at night. you can still reach him. it's not like he's sealed from the outside world. but it's a big deal. and if you look at his top advisers, general kelly, a very mod kate ran, gary cohn, jared and ivanka, trump is surrounded by people that are sympathetic towards the flight of the d.r.e.a.m.ers . this is not an unsubstantial factor in all of this. >> it's a fascinating piece you wrote there. thanks for joining us. for more, joined by our panel, than hayworth, sitting on the board of directors at the independent ...