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Lose this case, so they have the pay almost $800 million. >> you're exactly right, joe it should be hard to win a defamation case. you have to prove if you're public figure, you had to prov that the defamer knew that wha they were publishing was false or recklessly disregarded th truth. you had to do that wit arguments, and typically you don't get documents like thi in defamation cases. it's hard, because we want our free press to have the freedom to report and make mistakes, but this case wasn't about mistakes this case was about deliberate deception over and over an over and over again. fox ...

Letting all this discovery spill out into the open, to se all the evidence that worked against them, and then just to settle in the end when the could've spread themselves som of that embarrassment. on the other side of this case are you surprised if they le it go on as long as they did >> i'm very surprised, to an extent but look, i know some people are disappointed that there' not gonna be a trial, but we had to look at is what dominio did. dominion did not settle this case last year to many major these document got out of the public record hundreds and hundreds of these documents approved j...

Murdoch up on the stan admitting that he could have stopped us and that he kne what was going on. he's gonna say he had no idea. the house are gonna say he had an open mind, so they though this could be true, and joe, your lawyer, you know how this works, or one had to come in there with the documents and prove that they were lying ove and over again when they claimed they had an open min it did know what the truth was those documents are out there. you're absolutely right, w can't make fox news report o those. we can make fox news report on the trial, even if it happened go ahead, sorry. >> c...

>> it's definitely bittersweet it accomplish the goal, katie, when we talk about an apology, getting an apology for a settlement, you know this having been a trial lawyer an apology forced to a settlement is hollow it's pretty meaningless. so that was not, at least in m view, an important part of this even if you got fox to make th apology once on each of thei shows, i don't think tha would've changed very much o anything for fox viewers what fox viewers need to see i the truth over and over agai on major news, like th election in 2020 we couldn't force that through a lawsuit. if we had won th...

That i do think that the question o investigation is paramount, in as much as, you cannot eve talk about integrity if you're not willing to look into wha this does, or what this says or what is here. now once you learn what is here, the question then is, what d we do about it and i understand that that creates a whole, another rabbi hole of different problems tha you have to go down an consider but to not do the investigatio itself, wreaks of impropriety, and i think it's something people have to be really concerned about. >> people deserve to know th truth. new topic, same court. last week th...