it is more symbolic. and by the way, talk about how long we have been discussing it. it is more than seven months that we have been discussing that city, and strategically, the russians have said they are about to surround it, and the ukrainians are fighting it. and i wake up everyday to a new text message that says t ss tha bakhmut holds. so it is not a strategic site, but it is a psychological site. and the russians have drained such a cauldron of blood there. and so we have heard from the analysts over and over the bloody toll that the progress of the russians are taken to get to where they are in back khbakhmu