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Is still whether on the obstruction side or on the actual content side of what took place, the dems are still building a case. as you know, part of building this case is also going to be a public component to this in terms of trying to bring the american public on board in greater numbers in support of this effort. that's one of adam schiff's and nancy pelosi's goals. there will be a whole public component. that is another reason we're not seeing today on the house floor articles of impeachment being voted upon. >> exactly, david. ross, do you see this move by kupperman as an attempt from kupp...

Aide,s, alleged visor, a number of republicans on capitol hill, they've been wanting the president to focus on the process that democrats are moving forward with this impeachment inquiry as a response. they want to suggest that democrats are not being transparent, that they're abusing the legal system to try and go after this president. for trump, that's not puenough. he wants them to focus on the substance of his call with the ukrainian president, something some are not eager to do because answering questions about quid pro quo can be sticky like we saw with mulvaney two weeks ago. the presid...

Immunity says that this kupperman can fight this and doesn't need -- and shouldn't go in. h who's right here? >> the answer is this hardly ever happen, so we're not sure. the position of community has been taken by white houses and departments of justice going back for quite a while. one federal district court has said that, you know, that immunity doesn't apply. chairman schiff raises what i think will be the first issue that the court will have to decide, can a court even get involved at this point. is it right for a court to get involved, because nobody's been held in contempt. also, there'...