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american history -- >> we really do need a new word for unprecedented. >> former president trump vows to appeal his historic guilty conviction. >> a presidential candidate found guilty on 34 counts is clearly unlike anything we've ever seen. >> trump's conviction is a first. the clean sweep guilty on all 34 counts an especially strong vindication of the new york d.a.'s case. and sit one that all news viewers and citizens and people around the world are actually hearing and absorbing as one fact. people can have different reactions to this legal fact, but unlike so many other civic an...

Appeals process, and i think, ari, you're right, i don't think he has a credible ground for appeal. he'll try a lot of stuff, but nonetheless, i think at this moment before the election, i don't see a realistic chance that trump is going to jail for this set of offenses. >> and again, that'ston contrary to what trump's lawyers said. and they make legal arguments like you do, but they do stuff you don't typically do, neal. they've used the court to make sort of political statements, to make nonlegal claims. they also, of course, were rebuked at times for that. so even though it's a lawyer talki...